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BMW at Petuelring 130, 80809 Munich in Germany.

Agenda

Security design  (Stefan) (Stefan) AUTOSAR () (brainstorming ?, ) report on CDD (Sachin - TBC
  • 1 External services e.g. VISS, REST/Web sockets (Gunnar: depends on OEM requirements) (Gunnar can lead the discussion)
  • 2 External services e.g. SOME/IP (Gunnar) (45mn)
    • 3  design - 17:30

    Time

    Day 1

    09.00

    Agenda Review and introduction

    Welcome, logistics (e.g. IT) and agenda review


    		Security design

    09:30

    		 (owner) (duration)
    09:30-10:00

    Access control and permissions in Android (Stefan) (30mn)

    • Build connection VSS to Android permissions model
    • How to verify permissions
    10:00-10:30

    External service approach (Alexander - TBC) (30mn)

    • = which authentication methods exist ?
    • Adaptive
    • Autosar Identity and Access management has a general philosophy, defined names and concepts.  It is a basis for discussion because it describes a model  around interaction between entities (not details or protocols).
    • /TODO/ Alexander sync with Giovanni Vergine on Adaptive Autosar IAM prior to the F2F WIP
    10:30-10:45Break
    10:45-11:30

    VSS Layers (Gunnar) (45mn)

    • concept could be used to put signals into access control groups
    • how to map the concept to Android permissions (how it will be done on the Android side)

    11:30-12:00

    Users vs. permissions - presentation of the zone concept in Android 10 (Piotr) (30mn)

    • Different users could have different permissions?  Or is this only controlled based on application identity? (TBD)
      • For example audio zones...  Some users should not be able to control the audio.
      • But can this simply be built into the application rather ?
      • Stefan: this is similar to what was introduced in Android 10
      • presentation of the zone concept in Android 10 (Piotr) (30mn)
      Use cases and general requirements (TBD)
      E.g. How fine grained must the permissions model be?
      •  is this only controlled based on the  application identity ?
    • report on CDD (Sachin - TBC)

    Security design backlog

    • Vectors of attack
      • as a recap following the discussion on solutions
      • brainstorming on which attacks are targeted with the solutions discussed ?
      • follow the attack tree modeling method ?
      • (topic likely for a later stage / F2F
      • )

    12.30

    Lunch, at BMW office


    13.30

    		Technical proposals - further refinement (owner, duration)
    13:30-14:15

    Android internal service (Some signal-connecting library using VSS standard) (Stefan) (45mn)

    • VSS to standard Vehicle HAL - detailed
    • design  can be done right away.
      • Focus on:  "Easiest way" to expose data to Android applications
    14:15-15:00External services - SOME/IP (Gunnar) (45mn)
    15:00-15:15Break
    15:15-16:00

    External services - VISS, REST/Web sockets (Gunnar - TBC) (45mn)

    • relevance of topic depends on OEM requirements
    • Gunnar can lead the discussion but needs inputs on whether REST/Web sockets are in scope)
    • /TODO/ Sachin, Alex, others provide inputs prior to the F2F

    16:00-16:45

    Compatibility Android and non-Android systems - common solutions (TBD) (

    brainstorming: preparation call with Giovanni, Piotr and Alex)

    45mn)

    • brainstorming needed prior to the F2F
    • /TODO/ Alexander sync with Giovanni Vergine and Piotr Krawczyk on FARACON project prior to the F2F WIP
    • Tool chains:   VSS (or Franca) to Android IDLs translation ?


    Backlog topics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


    • Decision point:  Which design to use (develop), or at least prioritize
      • ....Decide how the application layer should be fusing the connection - direct socket connection or bound through android service
    		end of Day 1

    Backlog topics

    • how to use SOME/IP to communication with Adaptive AUTOSAR and/or Classic AUTOSAR ?
    • how to use Adaptive AUTOSAR Identity & Access Management (IAM) ?
    • Once we know direction, what parts are missing and need to be developed?
    • signal-to-service specification in AR 19-11

    17:30

    		end of Day 1


    Time

    Day 2

    08.30

    Start

    08:30-9:00Agenda bashing


    Audio HAL

    • presentation of the work done by the HV project on the standard interfaces for the audio platform (Gunnar)
    • review of the list of prioritarized topics (TBD)
    • work on highest priority topics
      • source management, networked audio devices (TBD)
      • controlling audio effects / audio data transfer (TBD)
      • multi-source management (TBD)

    12.00

    Lunch

    13.00-13:30

    		Agenda bashing

    13.30-16:00

    		Vehicle HAL topics likely

    16:00

    End of Day 2


    		Backlog topics

    Planned Attendees

    Name

    Attending

    		VHALAUDIO

    Arrival day; flight no and time

    Departure day; flight no and time

    Hotel

    Notes

    Car Parking?



    		117




    Gunnar Andersson

    		F2FYESYES




    Unknown User (gururaja.n)
    		F2FYES





    Unknown User (alexander.domin)

    		F2FYES





    Unknown User (wassim.filali)

    		F2F
    		YES




    Stefan Wysocki

    		F2FYES





    Unknown User (markku.tamski@tieto.com)

    		F2FYES





    Unknown User (bartoszbialek)
    		F2F or telco (TBC)
    		YES




    Piotr Krawczyk

    		F2F or telco (TBC)YES





    Unknown User (johan.strand)

    		telcoYES





    Sachin Athanikar
    		F2FYESYES




    Stephen Lawrence +domain expert (TBC)

    		telcoYES





    Unknown User (niskandar)+ 1

    		F2F
    		YES




    Andrey Ershov (TBC)

    		telcoYESYES




    Philippe Robin

    		F2FYESYESMonday 3 FebruaryThursday 6 February

    		no

    Transportation

    • From Munich Airport:
      • Ticket to bay:  M-5 (11.50€ for a single)
      • Take the S-Bahn S1 from the Airport (direction citi center).
      • Change to the U-Bahn U3 in Moosach (direction Fürstenrid West).
      • Exit the U-Bahn on Petuelring or Olympiazenter.
    • From Munich central railway station:
      • Ticket to bay:  M (3.30€ for a single)
      • Take the U-Bahn U2 from the Munich central railway station (direction Feldmoching)
      • Change to the U-Bahn U3 in Scheidplatz (direction Moosach).
      • Exit the U-Bahn on Petuelring or Olympiazenter.
    • By Car:

    ...

    Edit the table below to indicate your status with respect to the proposed dates for the F2F, entering one of the following:

    Symbol

    Meaning


    [empty] Not yet determined

    YES

    this day works fine for me

    no

    This day definitely does not work for me

    ??

    This day could work, but I would prefer not to

    If you would use case exactly as shown ("YES", "no") that would help for visually scanning the table.

    There are a lot of people to try to schedule to suitable dates, so please be as generous as possible in specifying "YES" or "??"

    Availability planning

    Name

    Jan

    Jan

    Jan

    Jan

    Jan

    +

    Jan

    Jan

    Jan

    Jan

    Jan

    +

    		FebFebFebFebFeb

    Notes

    please indicate F2F or telco

    (and write AUDIO if you are interested
    primarily in Audio HAL meeting)


    20

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    		34567


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    Gunnar Andersson

    		??????????
    		YESYESYESYESno

    +

    		??YESYESYESYES

    F2F, VHAL & Audio

    Unknown User (alexander.domin)







    		YESYES


    +


    		YESYES

    F2F, VHAL (will add another colleague for audio)

    Stefan Wysocki

    		YESYESYESYES??
    		??YESYESYESYES

    +

    		YESYESYESYESYES

    F2F

    Johan

    		??YESYESYES??
    		??YESYESYES??

    +

    		??YESYESYES??

     Partly via Telco, VHAL

    Pete










    +







    Sachin










    +


    		YESYES

    F2F, VHAL (AUDIO)

    Piotr Krawczyk
    		YESYESYESYESYES
    		YESYESYESYESYES

    +

    		YESYESYESYESYES

    F2F, VHAL (exact person not decided)

    Pontus










    +







    GuruYESYESYESYESYES
    		YESYESYESYESYES

    +

    		YESYESYESYES

    F2F

    Gerald










    +







    Unknown User (patrick.carlisle)
    		NONONONONO
    		NONONONONO

    +

    		NONONONONO

    F2F. Audio/vehicle. Can't travel.

    Stephen Lawrence




    		????





    +

    		YESYESYESYESYES

    Telco (need to check travel but would prefer to

    get domain expert from within company)

    Unknown User (markku.tamski@tieto.com)

    		??YESYESYES??
    		??YESYESYES??

    +

    		??YESYESYES??

    F2F

    Unknown User (niskandar) +1
    (MOBIS Frankfurt office)

    (+1 is registering)

    		YESYESYESYESYES
    		YESYESYESYESYES

    +

    		YESYESYESYESYES

    F2F, AUDIO

    Andrey Ershov
    		NONONONONO
    		NONONONONO

    +

    		NONONONONO

    Will not be able to travel those days

    Unknown User (bartoszbialek)











    +


    		YESYES

    F2F/Telco, AUDIO

    Unknown User (wassim.filali)












    +



    		YES

    AUDIO













    +



















    +







    Rooms available at BMW







    		YESYES


    +


    YES

    		YES

    		One room in february with video conference

    Agenda backlog

    ...

    Draft agenda planning here.

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