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This page is to find out a date for a 2-day F2F meeting in January. We will propose to We proposed the Audio HAL project to consider having a F2F meeting possibly the same days (TBC).on a half-day on Day 2

Date

From Tuesday the 4th of February to Wednesday 5th of February

Minutes 20200204-05-AASIG-F2F-meeting-minutes

Venue

BMW at Petuelring 130, 80809 Munich in Germany.

Date Planning

Edit the table below to indicate your status with respect to the proposed dates for the F2F, entering one of the following:

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this day works fine for me

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This day definitely does not work for me

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This day could work, but I would prefer not to

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Contact Person

Unknown User (alexander.domin) : +4915160160632

Agenda

Time

Day 1

09.00

Welcome, logistics (e.g. IT) and agenda review


Vehicle HAL Security design (owner) (duration)
09:30-10:00

Access control and permissions in Android (Stefan) (30mn)

  • Build connection VSS to Android permissions model
  • How to verify permissions
10:00-10:30

External service approach - how to use Adaptive AUTOSAR Identity & Access Management (IAM)  (Alexander - TBC) (30mn)

  • = which authentication methods exist and could be used ?
  • Adaptive Autosar Identity and Access management has a general philosophy, defined names and concepts.  It is a basis for discussion because it describes a model  around interaction between entities (not details or protocols).
  • /TODO/ Alexander sync with Giovanni Vergine on Adaptive Autosar IAM prior to the F2F WIP
10:30-10:45Break
10:45-11:30

VSS Layers (Gunnar) (45mn)

  • concept could be used to put signals into access control groups
  • how to map the concept to Android permissions (how it will be done on the Android side)

11:30-12:00

Users vs. permissions - presentation of the zone concept in Android 10 (Piotr) (30mn)

  • Different users could have different permissions
    • For example audio zones...  Some users should not be able to control the audio.
    • But can this simply be built into the application rather ? is this only controlled based on the  application identity ?
12:00-12:30

Security design backlog review & update

  • Vectors of attack
    • as a recap following the discussion on solutions
    • brainstorming on which attacks are targeted with the solutions discussed ?
    • follow the attack tree modeling method ? (topic likely for a later stage / F2F)
  • recap on the morning outcome

12.30

Lunch, at BMW office


Vehicle HAL Technical Proposals - further refinement (owner, duration)
13:30-14:15

Android internal service (Some signal-connecting library using VSS standard) (Stefan) (45mn)

  • VSS to standard Vehicle HAL - detailed design  can be done right away.
    • Focus on:  "Easiest way" to expose data to Android applications
14:15-15:00

External services - SOME/IP (Gunnar) (45mn)

  • how to use SOME/IP to communicate with Adaptive AUTOSAR and/or Classic AUTOSAR ?
15:00-15:15Break
15:15-16:00

External services - VISS, REST/Web sockets (Gunnar - TBC) (45mn)

  • relevance of topic depends on OEM requirements
  • Gunnar can lead the discussion but needs inputs on whether REST/Web sockets are in scope)
  • /TODO/ Sachin, Alex, others provide inputs prior to the F2F

16:00-16:45

Compatibility Android and non-Android systems - common solutions (TBD) (45mn)

  • brainstorming needed prior to the F2F
  • /TODO/ Alexander sync with Giovanni Vergine and Piotr Krawczyk on FARACON project prior to the F2F WIP
  • Tool chains:   VSS (or Franca) to Android IDLs translation ?
16:45-17:15

Technical proposals - Backlog review & update

  • Decision point:  Which design to use (develop), or at least prioritize
    • ....Decide how the application layer should be fueliing the connection - e.g. direct socket connection or bound through android service
    • Once we have agreed on which design to follow , what parts are missing and need to be developed?
  • signal-to-service specification in AR 19-11
  • introduction to Android CDD (Sachin) (30mn TBC)
  • recap on the afternoon outcome

17:15

end of Day 1

Time

Day 2

Time

Day 2

08.30

Start



08:30-9:00Agenda bashing

9:00-9:45

Common topic : introduction to the Automotive Virtualization Platform Specification (Gunnar, 45mn)

  • standard audio interfaces
  • other relevant standard interfaces


9:45-10:15Splitting break


Audio HAL
Vehicle HAL
10:15 -11:30

Work on highest priority topics of Audio HAL backlog - Source Management (Bartosz TBC)

  • Networked audio devices
  • Multi-source management:  Multi‐source multi‐sink
    • stream types, audio zones handling, still limited to one sink ?, limited number of sources
  • Limited number of priorities (2), No priorities of phone call types.
10:30-12:15

Brainstorming

  • Decision point:  Which design to use (develop), or at least prioritize
  • What parts are missing and need to be developed ?
11:30-12:15

Work on highest priority topics of Audio HAL backlog - Common HAL (Piotr+1)

  • Controlling audio effects
  • Audio data transfer
  • Multiple audio channels
  • Equalization

12.15-13:15

Lunch

12.15-13:15

Lunch

13:15-14:00

Audio HAL - backlog review and update (All Audio HAL participants) (45mn)

  • recap on the morning outcome

  • discussion on additional extensions to Audio HAL that "would not change too many things"

  • discussion on the part of the Audio HAL that could common for all SoC vendors

  • review of the list of prioritarized topics

13:15-14:00

Vehicle HAL - backlog review and update (All Vehicle HAL participants) (45mn)

  • recap on the morning outcome
  • backlog update

14:00

End of Audio HAL split meeting

14.00-14:15

Merging Break


14.15-15:30

Vehicle HAL topics (TBD)


15:30-16:00

Wrap-up



16:00End of Day 2

Planned Attendees

Name

Attending

VHALAUDIO

Arrival day; flight no and time

Departure day; flight no and time

Hotel

Notes

Car Parking?



117




Gunnar Andersson

F2FYESYES




Unknown User (gururaja.n)
F2FYESYES


Vegetarian Food

Unknown User (alexander.domin)

F2FYES





Unknown User (wassim.filali)

F2F
YES




Stefan Wysocki

F2FYES

LO353

3 Feb 2020 18:55

LO354

5 Feb 2020 19:45

Arthotel ANA Olympiapark
no
Unknown User (bartoszbialek)
F2F
YES

LO353

3 Feb 2020 18:55

LO354

5 Feb 2020 19:45

Arthotel ANA Olympiapark
no

Piotr Krawczyk

F2FYES

LO353

3 Feb 2020 18:55

LO354

5 Feb 2020 19:45

Arthotel ANA Olympiapark
no

Unknown User (johan.strand)

telcoYES





Sachin Athanikar
F2FYESYES




Stephen Lawrence

telcoYES



If you need to discuss h/w feel free to contact me to phone in. Meanwhile I spend the time improving the Genivi LAVA automated test system

Unknown User (niskandar)+ 1

F2FYESYESby Carby CarTBD
yes please

Andrey Ershov (TBC)

telcoYESYES


Andrey has a demo scheduled on 6 February and will likely be preempted totally by it

Philippe Robin

F2FYESYESMonday 3 FebruaryThursday 6 February

no

Unknown User (kevinval)

F2FYES



Joining the first dayno

If you would use case exactly as shown ("YES", "no") that would help for visually scanning the table.

There are a lot of people to try to schedule to suitable dates, so please be as generous as possible in specifying "YES" or "??"

Availability planning

Name

Jan

Jan

Jan

Jan

Jan

+

Jan

Jan

Jan

Jan

Jan

+

FebFebFebFebFeb

Notes

please indicate F2F or telco

(and write AUDIO if you are interested
primarily in Audio HAL meeting)

20

21

22

23

24

+

27

28

29

30

31

+

34567

Total YES

+

 

Total no

+

 

Gunnar Andersson

??????????YESYESYESYESno

+

??YESYESYESYES

F2F, VHAL & Audio

Unknown User (alexander.domin)

YESYES

+

YESYES

F2F, VHAL (will add another colleague for audio)

Stefan Wysocki

YESYESYESYES????YESYESYESYES

+

YESYESYESYESYES

F2F

Johan

??YESYESYES????YESYESYES??

+

??YESYESYES??

F2F, Telco, VHAL (travel budget not set yet)

Pete

+

Sachin

+

YESYES

F2F, VHAL (AUDIO)

Piotr KrawczykYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES

+

YESYESYESYESYES

F2F, VHAL (exact person not decided)

Pontus

+

GuruYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES

+

YESYESYESYES

F2F

Gerald

+

Unknown User (patrick.carlisle)NONONONONONONONONONO

+

NONONONONO

F2F. Audio/vehicle. Can't travel.

Stephen Lawrence

????

+

YESYESYESYESYES

Telco (need to check travel but would prefer to

get domain expert from within company)

Unknown User (markku.tamski@tieto.com)

??YESYESYES????YESYESYES??

+

??YESYESYES??

F2F

Unknown User (niskandar) +1
(MOBIS Frankfurt office)

(+1 is registering)

YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES

+

YESYESYESYESYES

F2F, AUDIO

Andrey ErshovNONONONONONONONONONO

+

NONONONONO

Will not be able to travel those days

+

+

+

+

Rooms available at BMW

YESYES

+

YES

YESOne room in february with video conference

Transportation

  • From Munich Airport:
    • Ticket to bay:  M-5 (11.50€ for a single)
    • Take the S-Bahn S1 from the Airport (direction citi center).
    • Change to the U-Bahn U3 in Moosach (direction Fürstenrid West).
    • Exit the U-Bahn on Petuelring or Olympiazenter.
  • From Munich central railway station:
    • Ticket to bay:  M (3.30€ for a single)
    • Take the U-Bahn U2 from the Munich central railway station (direction Feldmoching)
    • Change to the U-Bahn U3 in Scheidplatz (direction Moosach).
    • Exit the U-Bahn on Petuelring or Olympiazenter.
  • By Car:

Accommodation / Hotels


City

Hotel nameAddressZIP

Price 2020 (EUR)

Breakfast

Internet

Parking

Breakfast time

Breakfast-To-Go

Booking scode

MunichArthotel ANA OlympiaparkHelene-Mayer-Ring 128080990,00includedincluded12,00 €06:30-10:00No
Munich Super 8 Munich City North Frankfurter Ring 1438060779,00includedincluded15,00 €06:30-10:00No
Munich Leonardo Hotel Munich City OlympiaparkDachauer Str. 1998063790,00includedincluded17,00 €06:30-10:30No
Munich Harry's Home Hotel MünchenBunzlauer Platz 58099289,00includedincluded15,00 €07:00-10:00NoBuchungscode M_C88LI
Munich Adagio access München City Olympiapark Am Oberwiesenfeld 208080987,00includedincluded8,00 €06:30-10:00No
Munich Park Inn Frankfurter RingFrankfurter Ring 20-228080787,00includedincluded18,00 €06:30-10:00Yes
Munich Ibis Hotel München NordUngererstrasse 1398080582,00includedincluded11,00 €06:00-10:00No
Munich Ruby Lilly Hotel Munich City CenterDachauer Str. 378033588,00includedincluded17,00 €06:30-10:30NoLCOFIXBLXBMW
Munich Vienna House Easy Munich (ehem. arcona)Nymphenburger Str. 1368062690,00includedincluded18,00 €06:30-10:30Yes
Munich Motel One Deutsches MuseumRablstraße 28166990,50includedincluded12,00 €06:00-10:00Yes
Munich Motel One München Olympia-GatePetra-Kelly-Straße 48079780,50includedincluded 9,00 €06:00-10:00Yes
Munich Rilano 24|7 Hotel München CitySchillerstraße 178033695,00includedincludednot available06:30-10:30No
Munich Courtyard by Marriott City CenterSchwanthalerstraße 378033699,00includedincluded25,00 €06:30-11:00No

Planned Attendees

...

Name

...

Attending

...

Arrival day; flight no and time

...

Departure day; flight no and time

...

Hotel

...

Notes

...

Car Parking?


Date Planning

Edit the table below to indicate your status with respect to the proposed dates for the F2F, entering one of the following:

Symbol

Meaning


[empty] Not yet determined

YES

this day works fine for me

no

This day definitely does not work for me

??

This day could work, but I would prefer not to

If you would use case exactly as shown ("YES", "no") that would help for visually scanning the table.

There are a lot of people to try to schedule to suitable dates, so please be as generous as possible in specifying "YES" or "??"

Availability planning

Name

Jan

Jan

Jan

Jan

Jan

+

Jan

Jan

Jan

Jan

Jan

+

FebFebFebFebFeb

Notes

please indicate F2F or telco

(and write AUDIO if you are interested
primarily in Audio HAL meeting)


20

21

22

23

24

+

27

28

29

30

31

+

34567


Total YES












+






 

Total no












+






 

Gunnar Andersson

??????????
YESYESYESYESno

+

??YESYESYESYES

F2F, VHAL & Audio

Unknown User (alexander.domin)







YESYES


+


YESYES

F2F, VHAL (will add another colleague for audio)

Stefan Wysocki

YESYESYESYES??
??YESYESYESYES

+

YESYESYESYESYES

F2F

Johan

??YESYESYES??
??YESYESYES??

+

??YESYESYES??

 Partly via Telco, VHAL

Pete










+







Sachin










+


YESYES

F2F, VHAL (AUDIO)

Piotr Krawczyk
YESYESYESYESYES
YESYESYESYESYES

+

YESYESYESYESYES

F2F, VHAL (exact person not decided)

Pontus










+







GuruYESYESYESYESYES
YESYESYESYESYES

+

YESYESYESYES

F2F

Gerald










+







Unknown User (patrick.carlisle)
NONONONONO
NONONONONO

+

NONONONONO

F2F. Audio/vehicle. Can't travel.

Stephen Lawrence




????





+

YESYESYESYESYES

Telco (need to check travel but would prefer to

get domain expert from within company)

Unknown User (markku.tamski@tieto.com)

??YESYESYES??
??YESYESYES??

+

??YESYESYES??

F2F

Unknown User (niskandar) +1
(MOBIS Frankfurt office)

(+1 is registering)

YESYESYESYESYES
YESYESYESYESYES

+

YESYESYESYESYES

F2F, AUDIO

Andrey Ershov
NONONONONO
NONONONONO

+

NONONONONO

Will not be able to travel those days

Unknown User (bartoszbialek)











+


YESYES

F2F/Telco, AUDIO

Unknown User (wassim.filali)












+



YES

AUDIO













+



















+







Rooms available at BMW







YESYES


+


YES

YES

One room in february with video conference

Timetable

Time

Day 1

09.00

Agenda Review and introduction

12.00

Lunch, at WR office

13.00

Backlog topics

Time

Day 2

08.30

Start

Backlog topics

12.00

Lunch

13.30

14.30

15.30

16.30

Backlog topics

Agenda backlog

...

Draft agenda planning here.

<Title of proposal (Template)>

  • Proposer: <Person proposing topic>
  • Responsible group: Vehicle HAL project / Audio HAL project
  • Topic owner: <Person leading topic (may be different from Proposer)>
  • Length: <How much time is required for this session>
  • Abstract: <Short description of topic>
  • Content:

...