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From Tuesday the 4th of February to Wednesday 5th of February

Minutes 20200204-05-AASIG-F2F-meeting-minutes

Venue

BMW at Petuelring 130, 80809 Munich in Germany.

Contact Person

Unknown User (alexander.domin) : +4915160160632

Agenda

Time

Day 1

09.00

Welcome, logistics (e.g. IT) and agenda review


Vehicle HAL Security design (owner) (duration)
09:30-10:00

Access control and permissions in Android (Stefan) (30mn)

  • Build connection VSS to Android permissions model
  • How to verify permissions
10:00-10:30

External service approach - how to use Adaptive AUTOSAR Identity & Access Management (IAM)  (Alexander - TBC) (30mn)

  • = which authentication methods exist and could be used ?
  • Adaptive Autosar Identity and Access management has a general philosophy, defined names and concepts.  It is a basis for discussion because it describes a model  around interaction between entities (not details or protocols).
  • /TODO/ Alexander sync with Giovanni Vergine on Adaptive Autosar IAM prior to the F2F WIP
10:30-10:45Break
10:45-11:30

VSS Layers (Gunnar) (45mn)

  • concept could be used to put signals into access control groups
  • how to map the concept to Android permissions (how it will be done on the Android side)

11:30-12:00

Users vs. permissions - presentation of the zone concept in Android 10 (Piotr) (30mn)

  • Different users could have different permissions
    • For example audio zones...  Some users should not be able to control the audio.
    • But can this simply be built into the application rather ? is this only controlled based on the  application identity ?
12:00-12:30

Security design backlog review & update

  • Vectors of attack
    • as a recap following the discussion on solutions
    • brainstorming on which attacks are targeted with the solutions discussed ?
    • follow the attack tree modeling method ? (topic likely for a later stage / F2F)
  • recap on the morning outcome

12.30

Lunch, at BMW office


Vehicle HAL Technical proposals Proposals - further refinement (owner, duration)
13:30-14:15

Android internal service (Some signal-connecting library using VSS standard) (Stefan) (45mn)

  • VSS to standard Vehicle HAL - detailed design  can be done right away.
    • Focus on:  "Easiest way" to expose data to Android applications
14:15-15:00

External services - SOME/IP (Gunnar) (45mn)

  • how to use SOME/IP to communicate with Adaptive AUTOSAR and/or Classic AUTOSAR ?
15:00-15:15Break
15:15-16:00

External services - VISS, REST/Web sockets (Gunnar - TBC) (45mn)

  • relevance of topic depends on OEM requirements
  • Gunnar can lead the discussion but needs inputs on whether REST/Web sockets are in scope)
  • /TODO/ Sachin, Alex, others provide inputs prior to the F2F

16:00-16:45

Compatibility Android and non-Android systems - common solutions (TBD) (45mn)

  • brainstorming needed prior to the F2F
  • /TODO/ Alexander sync with Giovanni Vergine and Piotr Krawczyk on FARACON project prior to the F2F WIP
  • Tool chains:   VSS (or Franca) to Android IDLs translation ?
16:45-17:15

Technical proposals - Backlog review & update

  • Decision point:  Which design to use (develop), or at least prioritize
    • ....Decide how the application layer should be fueliing the connection - e.g. direct socket connection or bound through android service
    • Once we have agreed on which design to follow , what parts are missing and need to be developed?
  • signal-to-service specification in AR 19-11
  • introduction to Android CDD (Sachin) (30mn TBC)
  • recap on the afternoon outcome

17:15

end of Day 1

Time

Day 2

Time

Day 2

08.30

Start



08:30-9:00Agenda bashing

9:00-9:45

Common topic : introduction to the Automotive Virtualization Platform Specification (Gunnar, 45mn)

  • standard audio interfaces
  • other relevant standard interfaces


9:45-10:15Common topic; introduction to Android CDD (Sachin) (30mn)10:15-10:30Splitting break


Audio HAL
Vehicle HAL
10:3015 -11:30

Work on highest priority topics of Audio HAL backlog - Source Management (Bartosz TBC)

  • Networked audio devices
  • Multi-source management:  Multi‐source multi‐sink
    • stream types, audio zones handling, still limited to one sink ?, limited number of sources
  • Limited number of priorities (2), No priorities of phone call types.
  • source management, networked audio devices (TBD)
  • multi-source management (TBD)
10:30-12:15

Brainstorming

  • Decision point:  Which design to use (develop), or at least prioritize
  • What parts are missing and need to be developed ?
11:30-12:15

Work on highest priority topics of Audio HAL backlog - Common HAL (Piotr+1)

  • Controlling audio effects
  • Audio data transfer
  • Multiple audio channels
  • Equalizationcontrolling audio effects / audio data transfer (TBD)

12.15-13:15

Lunch

12.15-13:15

Lunch

13:15-14:00

Audio HAL - backlog review and update (All Audio HAL participants) (45mn)

  • recap on the morning outcome
  • discussion on additional extensions to Audio HAL that "would not change too many things"

  • discussion on the part of the Audio HAL that could common for all SoC vendors

  • review of the list of prioritarized topics

13:15-14:00

Vehicle HAL - backlog review and update (All Vehicle HAL participants) (45mn)

  • recap on the morning outcome
  • backlog update

14:00

End of Audio HAL split meeting

14.00-14:15

Merging Break


14.15-15:30

Vehicle HAL topics (TBD)


15:30-16:00

Wrap-up



16:00End of Day 2

Planned Attendees

Name

Attending

VHALAUDIO

Arrival day; flight no and time

Departure day; flight no and time

Hotel

Notes

Car Parking?



117




F2FYESYES




F2FYESYES


Vegetarian Food
F2FYES





F2F
YES




F2FYES

LO353

3 Feb 2020 18:55

LO354

5 Feb 2020 19:45

Arthotel ANA Olympiapark
no
F2FYES
F2F
or telco (TBC)

YES

LO353

3 Feb 2020 18:55

LO354

5 Feb 2020 19:45

Arthotel ANA Olympiapark
no
F2F
or telco (TBC)
YES

LO353

3 Feb 2020 18:55

LO354

5 Feb 2020 19:45

Arthotel ANA Olympiapark
no
telcoYES





F2FYESYES




 +domain expert (TBC)

telcoYES



If you need to discuss h/w feel free to contact me to phone in. Meanwhile I spend the time improving the Genivi LAVA automated test system
F2FYESYESby Carby CarTBD
yes please
telcoYESYES


Andrey has a demo scheduled on 6 February and will likely be preempted totally by it
F2FYESYESMonday 3 FebruaryThursday 6 February

no
F2FYES



Joining the first dayno

Transportation

  • From Munich Airport:
    • Ticket to bay:  M-5 (11.50€ for a single)
    • Take the S-Bahn S1 from the Airport (direction citi center).
    • Change to the U-Bahn U3 in Moosach (direction Fürstenrid West).
    • Exit the U-Bahn on Petuelring or Olympiazenter.
  • From Munich central railway station:
    • Ticket to bay:  M (3.30€ for a single)
    • Take the U-Bahn U2 from the Munich central railway station (direction Feldmoching)
    • Change to the U-Bahn U3 in Scheidplatz (direction Moosach).
    • Exit the U-Bahn on Petuelring or Olympiazenter.
  • By Car:

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