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Organizing of the Domain-interaction Hypervisor project, with inititial focus on the full-day AMM Workshop.

Next Meeting

(warning) NOTE: Tuesday, May 1 – skipped due to bank holiday in several countries

(green star) Tuesday, May 8, 10:00 AM CET

Agenda:

  • Sub-topic definitions
    • API standardization
    • Reports and educational material

  • Zoom Meeting details:

Minutes & other info

Munich AMM Workshop Agenda

Topic Introduction

  • Informative and teaching everyone to a similar level of understanding
  • Technical neutral information, no sales pitch
  • Try to open questions for discussion
  • Define what is the remaining problem
    • Technology needs improvement?
    • Uncertainties?
    • Information/documentation/lacking understanding?
    • ....
  • Suggestion:
    • Final slide could be a list of questions (to the workshop participants)

AMM Workshop Agenda (Topic name & Responsible)

This is a workshop session spanning several hours. We expect significant participation from all attendees. Each topic should have a short introduction (maximum 10 minutes) followed by interactive discussion. Individual topics should be introduced by a variety of Hypervisor vendors and other experts, such as OpenSynergy and Perseus.

Discussion topics will include:

  • Workshop introduction and intention
    • Introduced by: Gunnar (GENIVI), Sang-Bum (Perseus)
  • History of HVs
    • Introduced by: Sang-Bum
  • Introduction to XEN project
    • by: Lars (Xen) (TBC by Sang-bum)
  • Market Overview
    • by:Franz Walkembach (SysGo)
      • includes an intro to certification
  • Requirements gathering
    • HV vendors asking OEMs/adopters/customers/etc to clarify technical requirements
    • Introduced by: Matti (Open Synergy)
  • Performance comparison between open source software based hypervisors on ARM SoC
    • Introduced by: Sang-Bum
  • HV design and implementation
  • Virtualization for Multi-core, SoC peripheral hardware and special-purpose CPUs
    • Introduced by:Artem (EPAM) + input on Samsung roadmap (Sang bum)
  • Standardization of hypervisor APIs (virtio and friends)
    • Introduced by: Open Synergy (virtio intro + what's needed?) + ?
  • How can reliability & safety be quantified?
    • Introduced by: (question)
    • - how to invite experts? TUV/similar?
  • Audio system design with HVs
    • Introduced by: Artem (EPAM)
    • Discussing GENIVI AudioManager extensions
  • Graphics/GPU Sharing (in relation to GSHA project)
    • possibly show-and-tell multiple vendors?
    • Introduced by: (question) - reaching out to Renesas ?
  • Health/Debugging/Analysis/Logging (in relation to SHDA project)
    • Introduced by: (question) 
  • (Cyber-)Security enhancements based on virtualization
    • Introduced by: Sang-Bum
  • System design and working with HVs from users/system integrator's perspective.
    • Introduced by: (question)
    • ? tier-1 or OEM leading discussion?
    • Hardware integration.  Communication issues between vendors?

AMM Workshop Agenda Topics (brainstorm and more details)

  • Requirements gathering
    • Requests from HV vendors for OEMs/adopters/customers/etc to clarify technical requirements,
      e.g. on particular driver, performance, reliability, safety.  
      • Central device driver management?
        • ^^ Lead/intro by Sang-Bum
        • i.e. HV+BSP supporting hardware register access arbitration.
        • ...?
        • Even possible without this?  What would be design patterns to use if the HV is not giving the hardware virtualization you need.
      • BSPs available vs. needed
      • Unikernel support
        • e.g. tested/demonstrated
        • any special matching needed between HV and unikernel (para-virtualization) – likely not...
    • (Maybe in particular, how is reliability & safety quantified?)
      Boils down to: Several safety related parts brought together - how to design (and evaluate) the total system. 
    • Footprint
      • Memory usage
      • # Lines of code (auditing/reliability/trust...)
  • Training / informative materials?
    • Vendor-independent
    • From users/system integrator's perspective.
    • What can be done today, what can't be done today
    • Consequences of para virt or hardware support for virtualization, and related BSP design
    • Connection between "management/sales" slides and the very detailed HV documentation.  Knowledge required in the gap here.
  • Cross-domain architectures, examples, recommendations
    • (repeated from above) Boils down to: Several safety related parts brought together - how to design (and evaluate) the total system.
    • (repeated from above) Consequences of para virt or hardware support for virtualization, and related BSP design
      • Is design even possible without virtualized hardware?  Design patterns to coordinate access if the HV is not giving the hardware virtualization you need?

    • 12 factors for service-oriented platforms.  
  • Required technology demonstrations
  • Market/Technology survey
  • Requirements survey - Questionnaire (to OEMs)
    • Results could be statistics/anonymized if needed.
    • Start work on this questions list.
  • Feature evaluation
    • Compare features
      • Separate BSPs - paravirt or hardware virt support?
    • ... or simply list "what types of features can a Hypervisor have"
    • Comparing types of HV / key characteristics?
  • Graphics/GPU Sharing (in relation to GSHA project)
    • What things are hardware dependent?
    • How to share graphics buffers?
  • Health/Debugging/Analysis/Logging (in relation to SHDA project
  • Audio...
    • Past approaches are known and can be discussed (Sang-Bum)
      • e.g. paravirt devices
      • audio mixing in operating system can handle it instead of paravirtualized drivers
      • Complete architecture idea, e.g. with GENIVI AudioManager
      • One hardware run Cluster
  • How to minimize impact on the development process when using HVs 
  • Glossary/terms - does everyone have the same understanding of terms?

Virtual Device standardization

Common I/O devices for hypervisor guests with standardized features and interface, such that device drivers (and thereby systems) are more portable.

Advantages:

  • Device drivers (for paravirtualization) for the (Linux*) kernel don't need to be maintained uniquely for different hypervisors
  • Ability to move hypervisor guests between different hypervisor environments

*virtio supported by BSD, Windows, Fuchsia, and others

Extending this: Standardizing a contract/standard between guest and hypervisor.  Compare the OCI initiatives for containers.  Container runtimes → can we have standardized "hypervisor runtime environment" that allows a standards compliant virtual (guest) machine to run.

  • Hypervisors can fulfil the specification (with local optimizations / advantages)
  • Similarly, this specification is what guests can be engineered to.

Compare: Linux Device Tree – ability to discover and configure devices.

Project Planning

TODO:

  • Introduction to project, current status and what needs to be done
  • Break down into actions 
  • Resourcing - clarify group participation & time spent (roughly)


Automotive Hypervisor Compatibility Definition

  • Collect from different sources.
  • AGL paper can be starting point




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