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The idea is to pick specific virtualization topics, separately from the AVPS specification writing, and to do deep-dive investigations. 

We did something similar with Graphics Virtualization a while back, where we had a series of sessions that invited experts in the graphics frameworks as well as hardware vendors speaking about their specific silicon technologies.  This gave everyone involved a big boost in understanding of the area.


Brainstorm list: 

(Next step is voting/prioritizing on these.)

(warning) Talk to your colleagues/experts in each area (not virtualization experts necessarily, but subject experts).  Make them part of prioritization activity, have them tell us if they would like to attend a specific deep-dive on a topic.


(red star)(star)(green star)(blue star)(tick) (smile) (lightbulb) = participant favorites so far


Blue = scheduling/planning started for these topics.


Hardware/virtual devices:

  • (tick) Crypto / Security
    • Trusted Execution Environments
    • NXP accelerator blocks?
  • (red star) Ethernet AvB / Time Sensitive Networking
    • NXP accelerator blocks?
  • (smile) Automotive networks, in particular CAN
  • Accelerators   
    • (green star) Tensor-Processing Units
      • Will be used for some safety critical features?  Is it feasible to virtualize?
    • DSPs (is that discussion done in AVPS or is there more?)
  • (smile) Camera
  • (smile) (blue star) (lightbulb) Next-gen PCI and future interconnects.  Used for example for inter-chip communication and peripherals 
    • Automotive working group exists within PCI v6 work
    • Future interconnects: CCIX (pronounced "C-six"), CXL, Gen Z and other alternatives, NVidia alternative, ... 
  • Graphics (again...)

Platforms and environments

  • (tick) (smile) Google's Trout platform (likely subdivided into areas of interest)
  • (red star) (tick) Virtualization for Microcontrollers / small cores, non-MMU
    • Is it a misunderstood term?  Simply isolating cores != traditional "full" virtualization...
    • Real-time demands vs. virtualization?
    • Note there are more than one CPU architecture here... different strategies?

Aspects of hypervisor implementation and software stack in general

  •  (lightbulb)(red star) IPC and Inter-Chip Communication
    • Communication between different guests or hardware parts.  Does it affect the Virtual Platform or is it just run transparently on virtual socket?
    • One specific use case is inter-cpu communication. Particularly in the case of converged SoCs, e.g. comms between app on RT and general purpose CPU.
    • Are there standard choices?  Are there many vendor-specific proposals, like  IC-COM?    (Is that an AUTOSAR standard?)
      RPMSG → https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/staging/rpmsg.html
      NXP has some framework?
  • Go through operating system kernel special needs for each popular OS choice.
    • e.g. Is VIRTIO reasonably supported for RTOSes or other requirements?
    • e.g. What is the impact of new RTOS initiatives, as well as migration of legacy code from dedicated hardware to a virtualized environment (because the hardware goes out of production or similar).  Thread-X, AUTOSAR (OSEK), Zaphyr, FreeRTOS, Arm MBed, (and no-RTOS bare-metal VMs).
  • (green star) (smile)  Clock synchronization, real-time clock abstraction (probably a good topic for the AVPS)
    • Discussed today for the purpose of synchronized logs... but are not there more reasons?  E.g. systems that can do load-balancing, redundancy (offloading, transferring tasks), don't they need a common time?
  • (smile) Timer paravirtualization
    • CPU scheduling reporting HV<->VM, e.g. kernels do not get accurate information about system load.  Steal time reporting.  The time while a VM was not scheduled, even though it should run (= Steal time).
    • A spec from Arm ("Arm para-virtualized time" DEN0057A ) covers how to report steal time.
  • (blue star) General topic: Needs for (easier, better) virtualization support in future SoCs.
    • Still examples of how IP-block diversity and limitations causes issues (32 bit device in an otherwise 64-bit architecture)
    • Is virtualization truly a top priority for SoC vendors?
  • Agreed definition of virtualization.  Non-MMU systems seem to use the term even if the implementation is rather hardware separation.

Analyzing virtual platform characteristics and general areas

  • Real-timeish stuff
    • What are the special considerations we need to work out to support real-time demands?
  • (tick) Impacts from safety certification, ASIL?
    • Look into Linaro presentation, Xen progress, etc. for some starting ideas.  Also input from ELIZA project?



Proposals for invititations

OPTEE maintainer Renesas.  OPTEE related topics - Volodomyr Babchuk

TSN - Torsten (Renesas)

IPC - Thomas (Renesas)

PCI - Stephen's Renesas colleague.

Harald (OpenSynergy) works on CAN Virtio

Someone on NXP for TEE and Networking?

Bernard (Arm) on various topics, including CCIX, CXL

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