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Meeting Notes 2025

Agenda 2025-02-14 (tbc)

  • tbc: first feedback from José, appning on documenting the gap between Automotive App Host GAS vs. AOSP

Agenda 2025-02-17 (tbc)

Cancelled 2025-04-21 (Easter Monday)

  • Public Holiday in many European countries.

Meeting notes 2025-04-14

Meeting notes 2025-04-07

Meeting notes 2025-03-31

  • Participants: COVESA, Forvia, Appning by Forvia, GM, FORD, Spotify, ParadoxCat, Elektrobit, RemotiveLabs, Allianz, BMW
  • Update activities Paradox Cat for AOSP emulator:

    • ARM, X86 Android 12, with boot animation

      instrument cluster – with some placeholder in it (instead of maps?)
      Image Added


    • issues with Android Studio Meerkat, you see the screen only with a workaround

Meeting notes 2025-03-24

  • Participants: COVESA, Forvia, Appning by Forvia, GM, FORD, Bosch, ParadoxCat, Elektrobit, RemotiveLabs, Allianz, Valtech Mobility, BMW
  • Update activities Paradox Cat for AOSP emulator
    • The repositories are updated, boot animation is now implemented, first prebuilt version is to be distributed via S3 by Paradox Cat.
    • GitHub actions are to be set up by Paradox Cat, testing with AWS needs to be done to decide on operation mode which would not incur too much cost.
  • Update planning App Host extension → Prep Board meeting on April 9.

Meeting notes 2025-03-17

Meeting notes 2025-03-10

  • Participants: COVESA, Paradox Cat, Antonio Roa-Valverde, Chris Simmonds, Remotive Labs, Bosch, FORD, GM, Endava, Valtech Mobility, Allianz, BMW.
  • Proposal in regards to Automotive Template Host from Paradox Cat:
     
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Meeting Recording: https://us06web.zoom.us/rec/share/G90n0CFEzUPdPvLOeWHFkauMTCx3qOHBQCKEKzCuSDSk9Zixa8hqRH0j8PMRpiPs.LYKHKny0hCRuY_DZ

invite Chris: The aosp-devs automotive chanel: go to the main landing page: https://aosp-devs.org/ and follow the link at the top under "Come chat with us"

Meeting notes 2025-03-03

  • Participants: Valtech Mobility, Appning by FORVIA, Ford, Forvia, BMW, GM, Elektrobit, Tietoevery, RemotiveLab, Paradox Cat
  • Discussed plan for setup (Paradox Cat)
  • Templated host
    • Paradox Cat will share their vision and propose something in the next meeting
  • Boot animation
    • Use a static image from marketing resources link 

Meeting notes 2025-02-24

  • Participants: Forvia, Allianz, 2net, RemotiveLabs, ParadoxCat, Elektrobeat, GM, Gracenote, Appning by Forvia, Mavi, Valtech Mobility, Tietoevry, Paradox Cat, Bosch, Ford, Endava, BMW
    • Hosting
      • Approximate breakdown of monthly costs for setting up the Android Automotive OS emulator project on AWS, from Nick, COVESA'S IT manager.
      • Being reviewed by Paradox Cat (Viktor)
        • EC2 Instance (r5.large):
          Approximately $0.126 per hour; for 24/7 operation, this equates to roughly $91 per month.
        • EBS Storage (500 GB on gp3):
          $0.08 per GB per month, totaling $40 for 500 GB.
        • S3 Storage for Artifacts:
          Assuming 100 GB usage, at $0.023 per GB per month, this would cost about $2.30.
        • Data Transfer Costs:
          AWS provides 1 GB per month of free data transfer out to the internet. Beyond that, prices are approximately $0.09 per GB. The cost will depend on your actual usage.
        • Additional Costs:
          Other potential costs include network usage, snapshots, and any specific AWS services like CloudWatch for monitoring, which starts at $0.30 per metric.
    • Boot animation
      • Richard to follow up with Paul to see what's available
      • Static is ok to start with
    • Presentation from Nuno (Appning) about gaps between the AOSP Host & GAS
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      • Need to get feedback from Google on dependency on GAS from the Android for Car library
    • Template Host:
    • Not done: gather feedback from participants on white paper, see Meeting notes 2025-02-17
      and decide on where to give feedback (google docs, co-working document?)

Meeting notes 2025-02-17

  • Participants: GM, FORVIA, Appning by FORVIA, BMW, Bosch, FORD, CARIAD, Elektrobit, Endava, Paradox Cat.
  • White paper as project charter; Initial draft - please give your feedback!

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  • first steps possible after infrastructure has been clarified (repo in github, github actions, build host, artifacts and binary storage) → news expected next week.
  • Automotive App Host gaps → analysis probably next week, see change log https://developer.android.com/jetpack/androidx/releases/car-app
  • App Host Experience (Paradox Cat, Appning):
    • App Host is open source lib with regular updates.
    • updates include
      • e.g. more number of buttons now (4 instead of 2)
      • some new types of templates, e.g. tab view with each tab having a grid.
    • one update which would be needed also for AOSP is the map rendering possibility:.
      • status was formerly: navi maps render on their own, POI apps use maps rendered by the App Host.
      • if we update to V1.7, apps would be able to render on their own.
      • Appning is using open street maps OSM.
      • ability to run different maps depends on availability of keys, questionable if this would really plug & play.
      • question is if OSM or even different maps could be added to AOSP.
      • maybe a further layer of abstraction would be possible: OSM plus lib which renders OSM.
      • seems as if App Host can be updated and built separate from the platform (as a system app).
        From OEM perspective this feature then would need to be supported.
  • update on
    • white paper as project charter
    • first steps taken
    • update on infrastructure possibilities from COVESA
    • emulator images revisited
    • AMM plans to offer emulators in working sessions ?
    • anything else ?
  • Structure rest of topics in Meeting notes 2025-02-03

Meeting notes 2025-02-10

  • Participants: COVESA, csimmonds, GM, RemotiveLabs, BMW, FORVIA, Ford, Appning by FORVIA, Endava, Valtech Mobility, Allianz, Tietoevry, Paradox Cat, Renesas, mavi.io
  • Review COVESA AOSP Emulator Requirements - thanks to Viktor and José!
  • Discussions:
    • add white paper from José as project charter.
    • smaller group to take this forward as proposed in Requirements
    • Viktor could start to build repos, then switch to COVESA
    • first priority: repos, infrastructure. Paul will be talking to Steve and connecting to Viktor regarding machines that are needed.
    • automate the first build, then build on top of it, e.g. adding push notifications
    • Side track not immediately to be solved: automotive host.
      • Option 1: bridge the gap GAS and AOSP automotive host on COVESA
      • Option 2: limit API level which can be used. Up to level 4
      • Option 3: wait for Google.
      • First step: document the gap. José offers first feedback on that within 2 weeks.
    • different emulator images that will be needed:

      • Android version 10-14, two architectures ARM/X86.
        proposal: Start with Android 12 && ARM/X86 ?

      • might also need Android 9.

      • might also need emulators with/without additional services
      • be careful, too many flavours will end us up in too much space/compute power that is needed.

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