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Meeting Agenda

• Welcome and Compliance statement

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• Agenda discussion - anything that needs to be added?
• Prioritized topics

policy. If you are unfamiliar with that policy, please review it in detail prior to making any contribution that reads upon a patent.

• Agenda discussion - anything that needs to be added?
• Prioritized topics
• Walk through ongoing topics in  “Backlog/Kanban Board”.  Each Pillar should have a work product their group is working toward and status.
• Prioritized topics for next meeting
• Date for next monthly report discussion

Upcoming topics

Meeting notes 2025-04-17

Meeting notes 2025-04-03

• AMM Sessions

  • Data Expert Group Update
    Data Expert Group Status Update
    9:30 AM - 9:55 AM Wed

    • Just mention key persons and present later presentations?
    • Adnan: Mention capabilties,
    • Adnan: What has happened sincle last AMM
    • Adnan: Mention Tooling - comparison between alternatives (VDM reqs and solutions)
    • Introduce working sessions: Overlays - Profiles - Data Models
    • AP: Erik to prepare
  • Introduction to VSS:  A Deeper Dive, 10:00 AM - 10:25 AM Wed, Sebastian Schildt
    
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  • VSS -Working Session 1 Thu Morning
    
    • General Overlay-Profile_VDM
    • Overlays - how you can use it
    • What extensions are you using
      
    • Concrete use-cases
    • AP: Ted to prepare something
  • VSS -Working Session 2 Thu Morning
    
    • Overlays with hands on.
    • Potential overlays that could become profiles
    • AP: Adnan to prepare with support from Ted
  • VSS-Working Session 3 Thu Morning
    • Toolings/Datamodel
    • Daniel as host? Chetanya?
    • AP: Adnan to check if Daniel can prepare/host
    • TODO: Check relationship to other presentations from Daniel

  • 4:00 PM - 4:25 PM Thursday
    Data Expert Group - Wrap-Up

    • AP: Erik to be host
• AP: Present first iterations of slides and "summary for agenda" at next meeting April 17th
  

Meeting notes 2025-03-20

• VSS-discussions
  • Is "Profile" a good name - we already use the term "profile" for other cases like the "motorbike profile"
  • For network serialization -we may have different needs for different networks
  • Will be a starting point, could influence "Vss next gen"
  • Erik can refactor his PR to "allow" contributions, then we can see what happens from there. For now skip formal syntax, limited interest.

Meeting notes 2025-03-06

• The VISS WG has published the VISSv3.0 release candidate 1
  https://github.com/COVESA/vehicle-information-service-specification/releases/tag/v3.0rc1
  A review period is now started that will end at March 28.
  Comments are very welcome.
• AMM Agenda
  • AMM 202505 Technical Track Planning (Restricted access)

Meeting notes 2025-02-06

• Jan to give presentation on Federate
  • postponed
• Cross group artifacts
  • Stephen:
    • We can pick up some tickets here, inform/coordinate
    • Recurring: data sets, metadata,
    • AOSP emulator - could be expressed as need, but maybe they do not have time/knowledge to do it
  • Erik: VSS-profile proposed at https://github.com/COVESA/vss-tools/issues/436
• PoC
  • erik: what do we want to achieve?, there is VISSR and Eclipse kuksa showing VSS usage from different aspects. Also architecture playground
• Datasets
  • https://pivot-auto.org/datasets/
  • Stephen: Effort translating data sets
• Signal relationships vs. tree (classic VSS)
  • Ulf: layered approach needed
• Snapp blogpost
• For next meeting try to identify topic
  • Volunteers welcome.

Meeting notes 2025-01-23

• Android
  • AOSP workstream started, checking what already exist
  • Compare seat concept
  • Will be recurring meeting
• Playground
  • Stephen has updated playground to latest VISSR
• VISS v3 in review, last date for comment Feb 21
• Meetings schedule/setup:
  • Erik: It has not been much activity in this meeting lately. Special topics have been handled in separate meetings. I think we need to do something
    • Only have the meeting when/if we have topics to discus?
    • Change schedule, bi-weekly/monthly?
    • Or does someone have time/interest to drive topics?
  • Ulf: Every second week ok (from Slack)
  • Paul: Meeting was intended to guide/align all activities in DEG
  • Ted: Could collapse TST and DEG to one
  • Paul: The CVI meeting is quite similar to this one
  • Stephen: use this slot for more of general presentations
  • Erik: Good if we have agenda on what will be discussed
  • Paul: Lets move it to lower freqency.
  • Erik: Change this to biweekly, gives possibility to use every other second week for other general public presentations?
  • ted: Shift some topics from other groups to here, let them invite others
  • Stephen: prefer high quality updates
  • Paul: Proposal - move to every two weeks, try to present agenda in advance
  • Decided, Paul to update calendar!
• Federate
  • Would be great if Jan present in two weeks

Meeting notes 2024-11-14

• PauI: I would like to discuss/ideate on best way to figure out adoption rates particularly for VSS.  Start to discuss discretely scoped projects (e.g. tools, how-to, …) that would be useful to COVESA.
  • Paul: We can look at PRs/forks/stars/contributors
  • Erik: For vss-tools we have statistics at https://pypistats.org/packages/vss-tools
• Github project created for VSOMEIP - see https://github.com/orgs/COVESA/projects/13
• Capabilities project

Meeting notes 2024-10-31

• AOSP wanted direction has an overlap with what happens in the data part of Data Expert Group
• Adnan: Need to figure out how to engage in capability discussion
• Swen: Will give update on data exchange platform in commercial vehicle call

Meeting notes 2024-10-24

• Winter time in EU Oct 27th (Us Nov 3rd) - so meetings shifted 1 hour next week for persons not in EU
• Paul: VSOMEIP - discussing with them on contrib process, trying to get them to create a list before things being implemented
• Contribution process - continued discussion
  
  • Paul to create draft on wiki
• CVI - Gunnar suggesting a regular developer meeting for IFEX.
• Seats discussed in Capabilities Project - Capabilities Project - Seating Capabilities
  • Uservices repo as one example : https://github.com/COVESA/uservices/
• AOSP doing survey

Meeting notes 2024-10-17

• European data Act - Initial COVESA meeting held, Volvo Cars(M Feuer, Sonya to prepare charter with help of Volvo Cars colleagues)
• Monthly Asia Meeting (23rd, 8.00 CEST)
  
  • Open SDV Initiative as another API consortium in JP https://www.nces.i.nagoya-u.ac.jp/osdvi/index.html
    I will talk with Prof. Takada who leads this initiative, at Automotive World expo next week at the same day as our meeting date.
    https://biz.q-pass.jp/f/9686/inw_nagoya_conference24/seminar_register?fid=iNZXjAGsdRAe8CLX&tag=11075&co=auton-conference
    I’ll try to join our meeting, just after above expo conference.
  • Data Expert Group and VSS Asia Friendly Time - Meeting Topics and Meeting Notes
  • Paul: I will be there, great if Erik Jaegervall and Adnan Bekan  can join, others welcome!
• Contribution process
  • VSOME/IP: https://github.com/COVESA/vsomeip/wiki/vsomeip-Release-Process
  • VSS: https://github.com/COVESA/vehicle_signal_specification/wiki/Release-Instructions-and-Checklist
  • Continue discussion next week
• Winter time coming up, all meetings normally defined in european timezone.

Meeting notes 2024-10-10

• Stephen: Where to put diagrams
  • Erik: We have a generic github repo at https://github.com/COVESA/data-expert-group, we can create project-specific repos
  • Erik: Feel free to come up with proposals
• AMM: Wrapup
• European data Act (Volvo - Wireless Car)
  • Paul working with Magnus
• API Standardization
  • Will be reviewed at next TST
  • Erik: Think it would be good to be more specific on whats to be done in the short term - actual deliverables.
• Capabilities
  • Stephen: JasPar has a workgroup related to vehicle API. Might be one way to involve the Japanese OEMs

Meeting notes 2024-10-02 Cancelled!

Meeting notes 2024-09-19

• AMM/Workshop Agenda
  • Check if your name is mentioned at COVESA Technical Workshop Agenda and Notes
  • If so be prepared
  • Upload slides to https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1sft7AGaBsmvBBtNRaduNBF7mi2_0mqTU (if you have access)
• No DEG meeting next week due to AMM
• Erik is preparing "DEG updates" slides for AMM
• DEG/VSS Asia meeting next week
  • Practically impossible to participate from Michigan
  • Paul to contact them

Meeting notes 2024-09-05

• Workshop planning - DEG/VSS Workshop September 24th 2024

Meeting notes 2024-08-22

• Workshop Tuesday, Sept 24
  • Proposed Agenda Topics
    • Top down requirements for scaling VSS to adjacent domains
    • VSS role in Data-Centric Architectures
    • Standardization
    • API Design with VSS
    • Enabling and Realizing Cross Cutting Use Cases
• Walk through ongoing topics in  “Backlog/Kanban Board”.  Each Pillar should have a work product their group is working toward and status.
• Prioritized topics for next meeting
• Date for next monthly report discussion

Meeting notes 2024-08-08

• Erik on vacation rest of month
• Workshop Tuesday
  • Erik: Heard that NXP will be the venue
• Proposed AMM VSS Topics (for the AMM 202409 Technical Track Planning "Data Expert Group - VSS" sessions)
  • VSS - What is new in VSS 5.0
    • In this session we will present what is new in VSS tools 5.0 and discuss how the changes in vss-tools may affect you.
  • Requirement Management for the COVESA VSS Project
    • At the moment we do not have any formal requirements for the VSS syntax, catalog and tooling.
      We also do not know what requirements and expectations downstream projects as well as COVESA members have on the VSS project.
      In this session we propose a methodology for how to collect and manage VSS requirements.

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• Workshop Tuesday
  • DEG-related topics (2-3 hour, morning)
    • VSS Roadmap (Daniel points, collect requirements)
    • CVI-roadmap/relationship, playground relationship
      • What work products would be useful
    • What is needed for adoption
    • AI influence - how will it affect VSS/CVI/Architecture - interfaces
      • Could be used to identify usecases we need to cover within COVESA
    • GM/Ford input - how do they want to influence/contribute to the work, what do you expect from COVESA
  • API workshop (2.5 hour, afternoon)
  • AP: Create agenda until next week
  • NXP has venue for 40 person
  • Bosch has space
  • To be decided before next meeting
    • Paul to figure out and decide on where
• AMM Planning
  • AP: Erik and Adnan to propose content for VSS/DEG slots
    • May be replaced with other sessions

Meeting notes

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2024-07-25

• Topics for the workshop day before the AMM
  • Catch 22
    • No-one will come if we do not have interesting topics
    • But no reason to have a workshop on interesting topics if no-one will come
  • Erik: Try to have an agenda (or decide to cancel by August 8th?)
    • See DEG/VSS Workshop September 24th 2024

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