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Meeting Minutes



13 November, 2023

    • Sampling conventions

       Reaction to previously presented conventions, introduced 
       How to handle alternate sampling conventions

06 November, 2023

    • Tooling & .csv converter topic
      - no comments or offers for support so we continue here between geotab and etas


    • FMS-update
      - Carlton explained again the background of why J1939 is a good std to abstract into our guidelines using the VSS data model

      - potentially missusing overlays or need another DEG discusion required

      - explained about the wishes from the fMS standards group that SAE J1939 causes them issues/cost due to being so closely copupled to CAN and HW

      > (melissa request) Create an overview of what data is actually relavent for each additional field we are proposing for VSS overlay

      > do we define our own DSL (data sampling Language) for measuring the data or do we want to change VSS

      -currently DEG (data expert group) is discussing this topic and thinking that they need to have a way to managed this for specific vehicles  


    • J1939 questions
      - Some OEMs even considering replacing CAN with IP in the future
        how do we get VSS to become protocol agnostic  

      - Melissa asked if we want to do something with the data >

      - How do we do "plug and play" HW > can the CV BoF be a place that we also focus on this aspect of CV upfitting etc

      - Suppliers & Tiers will need to focus on the lower level abstraction (ford opinion)


    • Cummins focus:
      - Cummins to support for the FMS topic > we really need to focus on the fleet beenfits aspect
      UNECE1516 direction = Operations: Warranties status & SW updates for all makes/models/components could be highly beneficial
      - Should there be some sort of standard defiend in the control layer for updates etc in COVESA

23 October, 2023

    • AMM debrief
      • recap of AMM, encourage viewing of recordings especially for consent management
        • Interest in consent management and agreement more of a tangent, not essential for commercial fleet vehicles but for other sampling efforts
      • EV range prediction - additional data sampling campaign interested in using the same conventions as commercial fleets
      • ETAS SDV Blueprint
      • Business track
    • Landing page in progress
    • Alignment with other efforts
      • Mobility Data Space - related to Catena-x
      • ITXPT - similar to VDV, has a certification program - ensures compatibility across offerings - in our charter scope as a possible deliverable
      • FMS
    • Issues
      • Sampling configuration directives in use by participants, preferably open standard/convention
      • VSS Tools and overlays - after we have mockup YAML

11 October, 2023 at AMM

25 September, 2023

    • COVESA AMM track (2h tech track, plus a bit on business) - title, abstract, presenter name 
      • Overview/recap and example sampling config
      • EV range prediction and start of representation in sampling config
      • ETAS PoC 
      • Consent management AiDEN
    • EV range prediction artifacts
      • Map provider needed - Google, HERE, OSM - Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)? / W3C Spatial Data on the Web
    • Represent sampling - time, distance, event, other. SOSA/SSN (ontology and too complex) 
    • Privacy/Consent - ambitious but we have a number of pieces and opportunity
      • Explicitly which data points will be collected (CV BoF in VSS) 
      • How they will be used (again CV BoF. use cases are the start of purpose for GDPR). We will use constants for names of use cases as some pertain to multiple signals in order to avoid being too repetitive, side benefit is this can be useful for localization (accommodating descriptions in other languages) 
      • Who is collecting the data and how to revoke consent, who is easy and can add entity name or URI to the VSS overlays in CV BoF and same for revokation interface URI. Would need to research if there are any standards around consent and revokation APIs or if this is something AiDEN is willing to propose.
      • A common interface in the vehicle to interact with driver to capture consent - AOSP activity in COVESA and if generalized enough can by used on QNX and other OS instead of Android specific but worth going for the lower hanging fruit of an Android solution. 
      • AOSP activity with decent energy at COVESA, CV BoF also off to a good start
      • VSS/VHAL mapping in AA prototype was completed, interest in making VSS more central/prominent in AOSP
      • Some OEM are reluctant to provide rich data to the head unit and AA, that's fine we can simply capture consent and the data sampling campaign can be triggered to act on that on a TCU
      • AiDEN's platform includes consent management for Android Automotive platform, it impressed as being well thought out, intuitive, crisp UI that well informs the individual
      • We would need to convey consent was captured either by current driver (who could remain anonymous), owner and driver was informed that consent is explicit and immutable by operator, data will be collected and their recourse if they disagree is to contact owner and not operate the vehicle. What is sent to the data back end would need to be defined. In W3C Auto Working Group a PhD student and his prof have come up with a "sticky policy" to capture this, maybe too complicated for OEM who would prefer to keep it simple.
        Strong industry need to handle privacy, has EU OEM tied in knots
    • Open issues from Github

11 September, 2023

    • Ford EV Range Prediction Team presents
      • Recording, Slides
      • Research performed at Ford under an EU grant to come up with Correction Factors (CF) based on in-vehicle observations and various external factors (weather, road conditions, altitude changes etc)
      • Data sampling campaign can utilize the conventions for collecting EV specific data that is being proposed in the CV BoF
      • Discussion on merits, interest to prove out
      • Resources (algorithms, data collection techniques used, etc) can readily be opened as the EU research is intended to be public
      • Agreement to align efforts
    • Github repo created, issues created
    • Desire to switch from bi-weekly to weekly cadence

28 August, 2023

    • Introductions
      • Attendees: Thomas Sprechley (ETAS), Paul Boyes (COVESA), Pierre Pierre Blais (BlackBerry), Ted Guild (Geotab), Sven Jeroschewski (Bosch), Sri Palacharla(GM), Melissa Morris(Ford), Richard Fernandes(GM), Jeff Reid(Google)
    • How we'll work
      • Spreadsheet as an initial convenience
      • All deliverables and issues should be in github, repo requested
      • Major announcements to group mailing list, conversations and heads up in slack
    • Outline or proposed work
    • Open to additional topics to explore
      • Additional signal sampling campaigns that can follow these conventions, speaking with EV range prediction this week

15 August, 2023



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